Elon Musk pulled no punches about the ongoing war in Ukraine, asserting soldiers are being deployed into a “meat grinder for money” as part of the “biggest graft machine” he’s ever seen.

Musk made the comments at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, D.C., in an interview carried live by Newsmax and moderated by host Rob Schmitt. Musk credited President Donald Trump for having “empathy” and pushed back on critics of Trump for negotiating with Russia to put an end to the war.

“Well, first of all, I think we should have empathy for the people dying at the front lines. That’s the most important thing,” Musk told Schmitt and the audience. “You know, it’s like, how many more years does this supposed to go on? And imagine if that was your son, your father. … What are they dying for? What exactly are they dying for?

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